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Post by bodizofa on Sept 4, 2005 10:26:06 GMT -5
could someone tell me where 424 shaft goes in the driveline. the quad I am trying to rebuild did not have a front differential and the differential that I bought does not have the coupling to go from the drive shaft to the motor. so if the warn takes the place of this coupling it might be a good tiime to add this option. thanks Todd
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Post by MuddnMason on Sept 4, 2005 10:39:53 GMT -5
Need a little more info for the mechanically inclined like Jake. What quad?
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Post by FLIPSTICK on Sept 4, 2005 11:01:52 GMT -5
The 424 takes the place of the front driveshaft exactly.
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Post by bodizofa on Sept 4, 2005 11:09:15 GMT -5
it is a 96 foreman. so does it attach directly to the splined shaft coming out of the motor?
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Post by Jake on Sept 4, 2005 12:36:09 GMT -5
No. There are more parts than that. Flipstick is quite right when he says that it replaces the driveshaft "exactly". I would suggest looking at the blown up parts schematic at www.ronnies.com for a good idea. The front differential should have a "cup" with internal splines, and the front driveshaft would slide directly inside of that. So would the 4-2-4 Select. I believe that the 4-2-4 Select comes with new driveshaft boots (to keep dirt out of the splines), but you'll want to verify that yourself, because I may be thinking of a competing product. The engine end of the driveshaft (and the 4-2-4 Select) are similar to the differential end, with a large male spline. There will be another dust boot, a locating spring (That you absolutely do need, even though a few people swear you don't), and there is a "double female" collar that slides over the driveshaft, compressing the locating spring, and "springs back" to engage the splined shaft that exits the transmission. Now that you're totally, completely, and thoroughly confused, go back and click on the Ronnies link above, look at the parts fiche, and it should come together for you.
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Post by bodizofa on Sept 4, 2005 17:44:00 GMT -5
thanks for the info. the 424 may have to come later. as I will have to buy the missing parts anyway.Now for another question. does anyone know where to get replacement upper ball joints. The schematic at ronnies doesn't show a part number for them. Where is the best place to order parts? thanks Todd
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Post by MuddnMason on Sept 4, 2005 21:01:14 GMT -5
I know this doesnt answer your question about the upper ball joint, but if you are going to do alot with the knuckle (bearings, lower ball joint etc) you are better off getting a whole new assembled knuckle for 94.00. Here is a link to the knuckle at YaskyATV.
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Post by bodizofa on Sept 5, 2005 8:25:53 GMT -5
thanks the knuckle info .....already bought a set but they don't have the upper ball joint....
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Post by MuddnMason on Sept 5, 2005 8:39:48 GMT -5
I went and looked at a couple of other sites, as well in my service manual. They might just be generic ball joints. Jake should shed some light on this when he reads it.
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Post by bodizofa on Sept 5, 2005 17:08:00 GMT -5
Jake or anyone else who can help......I got the little wire out of the pinion gear but how is the best way to get the pinion,bearing and seal out of the case. I tried tapping on the pinion and broke a small piece out of the end of the pinion. It is not in the mesh area so I hope it will not be a problem. then I saw the two small custouts in the case that looks like a place to drive on the bearing. but instead of tearing it up I thought I better get some expert advice....all help is appreciated....Todd
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Post by Jake on Sept 7, 2005 5:16:28 GMT -5
You are working on a 400, right? Honda only uses like four ball joints in the whole lineup. That will use ball joints from the Honda parts counter, although they are NOT listed separately for a 400. I believe that the TRX350? is the one that has them in the right spots to order by position, but taking an old one to your dealer will surely get you what you are looking for.
Are you removing the pinion gear (and pinion bearing) or the pinion nose bearing (that would be left in the case with the pinion removed)? To remove the pinion, you remove the retaining nut for the pinion gear? It's under the splined cup where the driveshaft goes in. When you look down there, it is externally threaded and the proper wrench would fit inside of it. You'll have to screw that out first. After that, if it's stubborn, a brass drift or an ALUMINUM nail set ( not steel punch) will help prevent damage. The nose bearing is awkward too. Sometimes they can almost fall out, sometimes you can get them with pliers or a bent screwdriver to pry from underneath, and sometimes they come out in pieces. If the rollers are out, sometimes you can get a hold of the race with good stout pliers.
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