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Post by lemmondrop on Jul 2, 2005 5:25:39 GMT -5
Well everyone i am new to the board. Its nice to have a place to come too, i was almost hopeless about modding the foreman before here...now i am exremely happy  So what i have is a 2004 Foreman 450 ES. Love the thing except that i feel that it just coudl be much bigger and proud than it is now. Oh and btw i like the ES no matter what anyone says  So at the moment it is plain jane stock...yes i know thats sad, good news is that i only paid 5200 brand new, seems like everyone else paid more for some reason.? Wait i lied, i forgot aobut the 1750 lb. winch, small detail. So, my plans are too get 27s with type 7s i believe there called(baja style wheel) (28s?), a 2" lift, wheel spacers(?) and a k/n air filter to start...Hows that sound to everyone. any other thoughts? gimme advice plz  |
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Post by FLIPSTICK on Jul 2, 2005 8:06:37 GMT -5
Welcome lemmondrop , Hope you enjoy your stay at TBF.
Your list mods sound like a good start .
If you have any questions feel free to pm me .
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Post by MuddnMason on Jul 2, 2005 12:37:37 GMT -5
Welcome to the board lemmondrop.
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Post by 1badrancher on Jul 2, 2005 15:48:36 GMT -5
welcome.... sounds like a good start... one queston lemon... what kind of tires you wanting to put on it..
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Post by lemmondrop on Jul 2, 2005 21:50:50 GMT -5
I was probably thinking the ITPs, if not then looking at the Vampires...i would really like to rund 12s in the front, but is that too wide? or should i go with 10s? i was also wondering about the wheels spacers, anyone have any fail them yet, i was thinking of getting th e 3" 1.5 per side. any suggestions? |
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Post by lemmondrop on Jul 2, 2005 21:56:20 GMT -5
oh and i forgot, anyone reccommend a particalur style lift? ideally i want to make my quad sit like a picture i saw on the high lifter site, it was a 2003 450 and i believe the name was muddbunny?
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Post by FLIPSTICK on Jul 2, 2005 21:57:54 GMT -5
Just watch your wheel bearings if you go with spacers on the front .
Accelerated wear due to the extra load.
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Post by TechForeman on Jul 3, 2005 0:17:50 GMT -5
What size Vamps? 12's arent to wide. if you are going to get rims as well as tires, get a wide offset all the way around and then put wheel spacers on the rear. so you wont have to worry about your bearings in the front. JMO.
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Post by Foreman Rider on Jul 3, 2005 0:26:20 GMT -5
Well ITP offsets their wheels like if you got a set of 589s w/ C-Series you would gain 4" wider in the front and thats with 10" wide 589s. Using 12" in the front IMO seems you would loose a lot of your power that goes to the front into turning them. JMO though
O, and Welcome to the site, my names Ethan and ask anything you want to, you usually will find the answer some way or another.
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Post by lemmondrop on Jul 3, 2005 21:45:09 GMT -5
so what im kinda getting is i would be better off buying 2 sets of "rear" wheels and then putting spacers in the rear. if so should i use the 1.5" or go for the 2.5" on the rear. and that i should go with 10" tires in the front? www.highlifter.com/wheeler_detail.php3?detail=2089here is the quad i was saying earlier, i like how it sits and looks, i dont like the overly tall looking quads that have no wide if you know what i mean...i mean function is important too to me but i dont want it to look retarted either. |
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Post by Jake on Jul 4, 2005 9:45:10 GMT -5
I'm gathering that reliability is at least a small concern, correct?
If you're going to space the wheels out, I highly recommend spacing all you can with the wheels, and as little as you can with spacers. Spacers are not really "problematic", but the can and have been known to break. or otherwise fail. Call around instead of just ordering wheels off the internet in "boxed" sizes. With many wheels there are variations that will do what you want and not require spacing.
Boatloads of people believe that offset wheels are better for the bearings than spacers. That isn't the case. No matter how you space the wheels, be it with spacers or offset rims, you will take out bearings just as quick either way. You'll want to learn to replace those yourself. It's not the end of the world, just time consuming, and time at a repair shop is very expensive, regardless if the work is "technical" and requires skilled hands, or if it's wheel bearings and requires big hammers.
You can get twelve inch wheels under the front, but those will add to breakage, especially with as much lift as is shown in the picture, if you really get after it. Also, the difference between ten and twelve just doesn't look like that much in the final project. It is visible, they won't look that big, but you may not know without comparing pictures side to side. Offset wheels also help with the overall look. There is a reallly big difference in the steering effort. I would consider going that route. (Not to say that twelves are night and day worse, just that there is a good difference in manners). Just food for thought as to how badly you want twelves in the front.
For the lift kit, if you're doing a custom one like the picture, don't get carried away. Steep angles in the CV joints make weak links. I'd recommend limiting yourself to a couple inches at best. CV joints are finite failures, but you're going to drop a couple hundred on each one you brake. Rear U-joints are under a hundred bucks, but when they fail they are not finite. There will more than likely be consequential damage involving the transmission final shaft, rear engine case, and can total up to $1600 at the dealer (although typically more like $1100), or if you are able or willing to learn to tear down the whole engine and transmission, it usually runs $400 to $600. Not to scare you out of modifications at all, as these failures are truely not "daily" occurences, just to get you to consider that the aftermarket lift manufacturers have put careful planning, measuring, calculating, and field testing into their product, and they really have got them pushed to the edge of reliable, without going over. Also, consider making a check of the rear U-joint a PM check before installing a lift, and a routine check after installing one. It's takes a little "doing" to change it, but checking is as easy as pulling back the boot from the back of the engine to the swingarm driveshaft tube.
There are a couple of brands of lift out there. I would lean you towards the Highlifter one for absolute durability, because although it does look kind of "crude", I've never seen any of the parts fail EXCEPT when someone puts them together without the proper bushings and crushes the components. The other recommendation I have is that if all the possible lift in the world isn't a concern, you can get half or a little more of the lift of a "lift kit" by installing a Perfex long travel kit. That not only lifts some, but allows a much better ride. The benefit and drawback for when you're seriously spanking on your bike is that the front wheels stuff more and therefore allow better ground contact, but by doing so may rub some when they're right up in the fenders.
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Post by TechForeman on Jul 4, 2005 9:53:40 GMT -5
I like wide tires all the way around b/c they look better, but on the flip side skinnier tires say weight and are less of a stress on the motor. I talkd to one of the guys at highlifter about putting "rear" wheels all the way around and they said that i would have to put 1.5" spacers on the rear to make it look right b/c the front would stick out further than the front. hope this helps any.
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Post by plowboy on Jul 5, 2005 18:25:57 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum.
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Post by lemmondrop on Jul 6, 2005 3:16:55 GMT -5
Well im thinking im gona go with the 10s in the from with all rear spaced wheels and get spacers for the rear im thinking. now to get the clearance like the photo has would 2" be enough or would i need more. if so can 2 lifts be combined or is there a larger lift kit available? are those long travel shocks expensiive? and how much lift would it provide? sorry for all the questions, but i dont wana spend a decent deal of money to find out either it doesnt work well or doestn just plain work at all, on top of that i dont want a stupid lookin quad either. i like my pride still somewhat. realiablity is a issue too thanks for all ur help
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Post by TechForeman on Jul 7, 2005 0:11:37 GMT -5
A lift from Highlifter would be good enough. are you goin to be runnin 27s? im dont think that 2 lift kits could be put together. im not sure bout the shocks but i dont think that they provide a great deal of lift. probably bout 1". i have heard the Perfex lift kit is a good one but it will only lift you bout an 1" tho.
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